Voices of Europe Helmut Weber
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There babe or would you accept the characterization of your
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party the s r p as the neo Nazi
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Party of Germany.
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I sing but absolutely wrong.
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Neo Nazi new not Susan has today used the
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same meaning as a lot heretic in the old
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times. But you know that are OT kind
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of additive and today no
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nastiness has no real meaning in
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Ramle.
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Because of for example the communists
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call adn our film are also all fascists
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are neo nazis.
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Voices of Europe. Milton mair American broadcaster and
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lecture author and professor of social research from the University of Frankfurt
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has been traveling throughout many of the countries of Western Europe recording the voices of
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ordinary people on a great variety of subjects.
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These are Europeans who are alive and sensitive to the tragedy and dilemma of the conditions that
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surround them. People who speak directly and candidly of their own feelings in their own
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aspirations to help us to understand the basic conditions of life in Europe
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and the views these people hold of their own problems.
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Today in the town of Marburg in Germany Milton Mayer interviews Mr. Hellmuth
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Baber Mr Weber's at the age of 31 is state chairman for the
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state of health of the socialist Fischer Reich apartheid the SRP which many
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Americans have heard of as the so-called neo nazi party. Mr
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Weber's also a member of the National Committee of the SRP
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vapor was born in middle Germany the son the only child of a locksmith.
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His father is now retired and has a chicken farm like so many retired Americans.
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Mr Weber's attended high school and was graduated in 1939. He
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was a member of the Hitler youth as was almost every other schoolboy in Germany at that time
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and he rose to the rank of what we would call battalion commander in the Hitler youth organization
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in 1939 after graduation he decided to be a soldier and
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voluntarily after doing his six months of regular labor service which every young man and did in
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Germany at that time. He entered Officers Training School and became a first lieutenant in the
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army. He fought in the Air Force in Russia from 1941 to
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1943 and then became a teacher an air force tactics in the Air Force
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Academy in Berlin and was then as a person Lieutenant
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commanding officer at the end of the war of a paratrooper Talon.
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He was wounded and captured by the Canadians in March 1945. In the course of
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defending the last German bridgehead on the lower Ryan river after three
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years as a prisoner of war in England he returned to Germany entered the
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university to study law which he has been doing up until very recently.
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Here is Milton Mayer to interview him would waver.
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Here babe or would you accept the characterization of your
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party the s r p as the neo Nazi
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Party of Germany.
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I sing but absolutely wrong.
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Neo Nazi neo-Nazi some has today is the
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same meaning as a lot in the old
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times.
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But you know that our OT Cryan all activity
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today neo nazism has no real
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meaning Romney because
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for example was a communist call
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Adenauer are awful fascists
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are neo nazis.
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Well exactly. They're vapor What would you say
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were the differences between the s r p
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and the old National Socialist Party
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the old socialist National Socialist Party.
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Stuart father grew up in CPP. Love
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means leadership principle. In effect
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dictatorship dictatorship but the US are. He
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is standing for the principle that the people of South
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must decide its political way. The
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program opposition Naisi party arrested on the
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rise. DR in NZ as our people rock them
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there was no bark as to raise our show
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and the party itself. I have never
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until this day the rop raise our
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eyes talk to them where they were
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when you came back from England.
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Released as a prisoner of war in 1948.
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Just what was our political
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attitude.
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Nineteen hundred forty eight former soldiers
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came back from the camps
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concentration camps which we had our after night
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not 45. And I think that the as
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is the typical Poppy generation
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which fought in the second round at war.
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Some but not all of us.
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Our form of Office Professional Office hours
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none of that remark was very off.
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We were our comrades obvious us our
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common man soldiers the chairman
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the SRP today boss the cop out of
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the army and his representative.
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Today is a drawn out of
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one of the good things are you ram an army
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that walked out with that there are no class
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distinctions of class about I walked
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in the old drama. That was
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the same thing in the whole drama. People was
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one of the bath things.
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Nothing other socialism brought us our way
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to understand then there they were
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that in this respect the SRP
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does regard itself as the successor of National
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Socialism.
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In this one respect yes you are right in this one
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little respect but it's wrong to call
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this succession. Because if you would see one
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thing is goat you must not be a
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success are officeholder Prady obvious or
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light on how an outlook of life I
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think.
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If you think that only one thing I'm seeing out
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of the whole.
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I understand and the one thing or the most important
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thing that your party finds that was good in national
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socialism was the wiping out
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of class difference for the establishment
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of a community
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of the people.
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Yes this is what we called the mind shot.
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Folks go my shop is off the bronze abodes off our
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peak now.
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Now they are a favor in this folks
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mind job or community of the people which
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Naziism established in Germany.
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There were certain groups of
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persons who were excluded by
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virtue of race or religion
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or so-called blood.
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Which groups if any would be excluded.
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Perhaps even an exterminator in your
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program in the program of the s r p
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p is excluding nobody
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in the US.
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P. We have as a matter. Dude
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it's Dutch.
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So are they are members of the US. R. P..
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This RPG is vastly the doormen party
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but the party is for our good. Europeans
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were united to us and we Romany so
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fast that for a real free and
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united Europe. Is this your party program.
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Yes it is but we have labor.
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Every party and every politician
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uses terms like freedom and democracy. He
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unity and so on. If I remember right
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the Nazis used all these terms too.
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Yes I know politics you
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have a lot of slogans but
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ask me
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to give very briefly most
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important points. Our programme
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pleased as he
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strives actors a story from the drama of our
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life because that means the uniting
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of the now divided Germany
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the SRP claims the independence of Germany
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the right of every free people
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stands for a free and independent European
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community.
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The party claims are defined
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as every free people are its
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democratic way of life and the corporations
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you hold people are political decisions
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but the current political system.
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People democracy will
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mean something for the German people.
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We must develop our own
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democratic way.
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They're braver.
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If your party
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indeed has such a program as you have
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recited it.
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It sounds harmless enough
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acceptable enough at least for the
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purposes of free political debate.
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Why is it that your party is under such
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great pressure if it is not as I
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understand it it is forbidden in some
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areas and meetings are forbidden publications are
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forbidden. The jurors are not allowed to appear. It
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seems to be under a great deal of pressure both inside
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and outside Germany. If it is a Democratic Party
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if it is not actually a neo nazi party how do you account
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for all of the wide spread opposition to it.
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You see the only people who would
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profit from the German defeat are the
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people which were our government
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newspaper
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in 1945 without occupation
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powers
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France will get into these positions
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now. We were coming to politics.
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We are much younger generation which fought in the
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second world war. We freely that
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something's been the drama of history
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were good. What more common means
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for the people which are leaving from defeat
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an occupation to denounce us as neo nazis
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and so on is a success. Not that this is
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the last thing the occupation powers will help them against us
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but they do go the occupation powers
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they will help the people. I'm guess that they need to
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stay in that position. It would
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be much better for them to end us than it was a
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Johnny after model.
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One last question here a favor. If you are
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today uphold international
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socialism in so far as the
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dictatorship principle was represented by it
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and in so far as it was a racist power
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why were you a National Socialist from
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1933 to 1945.
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I was 12 years old my father
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was one of six million unemployed.
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Germany was defeated in the past war.
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I was that drama boy.
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I think that you can understand that I
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was a man.
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Who raised Germany as he is that.
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Yeah but in 45 you are older.
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Yes 45.
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We also Second World War
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in a world war.
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You cannot qualify with your government as long as
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there was indeed only a transfer to avoid defeat.
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We have to defend our country as
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everybody does under the price of our our unconditional
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surrender. We have the duty to defend Germany to the
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last.
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And I take it then that somewhere between
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1933 and 1945 though you went
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on being a national socialist and fighting for the
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National Socialist state you became
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C or an anti Nazi.
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I was appointed lar because you did a lot
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for Germany a long time. You remember what charge
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was set on Hitler. Quite Britain
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the defeated one time he wished to have Great
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Britain. He sat and ate. I was for Germany
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as I am today and not in the
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fast line.
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Everybody Bert you have said that you were for Hitler because Hitler
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did a lot of good for Germany for a long time.
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But there are some of us who feel that Hitler did a lot of bad
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for the world for a long time.
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You spoke at the beginning of our discussion of your
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return at the end of the war to the Allied internment
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camps which you referred to as the new
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concentration camps. I wonder if you would really
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compare the internment camps. No I have heard
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that there was a great deal of mistreatment in them with the
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